It's time for a new class

[Farmer]

talking to you Allen.

they just whipped Denton Guyer! I am really impressed. Allen is literally 1.5 tImes larger team genie counterparts yet they continue to compete.
I think it's Time the UIL makes AlLen compete

on on their own

[Super B]

If you mean it is time for a sixth 11 man classification I agree. I think it has been time for quite a while.

[Trinity Dad]

If you mean it is time for a sixth 11 man classification I agree. I think it has been time for quite a while.

I agree as well. What would you propose the enrollment cutoff be?

[Farmer]

I agree as well. What would you propose the enrollment cutoff be?

5500 is my proposal. If you want to make it just Allen and the 3 sucks schools then fine but I'm ok with it just being Allen and nobody else

[Eagle82]

bring it on.

www.7ATexasFootball.com
www.7ATXFootball.com

and about a dozen more already secured!

[Super B]

I agree as well. What would you propose the enrollment cutoff be?

The formula should be basically the same as it alway has been. Take the total number of 11 man schools, divide by six.

As of the 2014 realignment there are exactly 1,102 11 man football UIL schools in Texas. That means there would be 183.6 schools per classification if divided evenly. There will have been several new High Schools open up most likely, so probably 184 per Class. It is likely the 5A-6A cutoff would be 1,687 and the 6A-7A cutoff would be 2,309.

Essentially, 6A except for the current smallest 66 schools would become 7A.

[GymCatmomx2]

The formula should be basically the same as it alway has been. Take the total number of 11 man schools, divide by six.

As of the 2014 realignment there are exactly 1,102 11 man football UIL schools in Texas. That means there would be 183.6 schools per classification if divided evenly. There will have been several new High Schools open up most likely, so probably 184 per Class. It is likely the 5A-6A cutoff would be 1,687 and the 6A-7A cutoff would be 2,309.

Essentially, 6A except for the current smallest 66 schools would become 7A.

Well shoot, that doesn't help at all. A school the size of Guyer (2506) would still be competing with a school the size of Allen.

[Super B]

I say there should be 7A, but there could be an 8A

[Shady12]

I think there should be 1,102A. Each team has it's own class and everyone gets their state championship trophy.

[Farmer]

I think there should be 1,102A. Each team has it's own class and everyone gets their state championship trophy.

I'm not really sure that would be the way to go and can appreciate your sarcasm. I just thing we're heading in a direction that's not going to be good for the teams in this state if we don't change some things up

[Super B]

I'm not really sure that would be the way to go and can appreciate your sarcasm. I just thing we're heading in a direction that's not going to be good for the teams in this state if we don't change some things up

I agree with your sentiment. I just don't know if there is any way to stop it.

[Farmer]

I agree with your sentiment. I just don't know if there is any way to stop it.

there are always ways to stop it. It may not be popular in some areas but it can be stopped or fixed
.

[pied]

Late to the party and I'm sure some Allen people have discussed in the past,but I haven't really paid much attention.

Is there a limit in Allen? If the school gets to 10,000 will they be ok? Is there a plan for two schools at any point?

[Super B]

Late to the party and I'm sure some Allen people have discussed in the past,but I haven't really paid much attention.

Is there a limit in Allen? If the school gets to 10,000 will they be ok? Is there a plan for two schools at any point?

They have sworn up and down that they will NEVER open a second High School.

[Farmer]

Late to the party and I'm sure some Allen people have discussed in the past,but I haven't really paid much attention.

Is there a limit in Allen? If the school gets to 10,000 will they be ok? Is there a plan for two schools at any point?

what super B said, they said they won't build a second Hs regardless. They have plenty of land on their current campus to add on or build additional buildings if it's needed. I don't know how accurate this is but I read last year where two of the posters fr Allen said the will soon be at 7K.

[GymCatmomx2]

what super B said, they said they won't build a second Hs regardless. They have plenty of land on their current campus to add on or build additional buildings if it's needed. I don't know how accurate this is but I read last year where two of the posters fr Allen said the will soon be at 7K.

That is absolutely insane. Why would anyone who had a fairly talented student, whether their talent is athletic or performance (except for band), ever choose to go to Allen. Unless their child is a superstar, they will never step foot on the playing field or court, or ever get cast in a play. Folks from Allen can tout their AP classes, dual credit classes, facilities, etc., but what they fail to realize is that "normal" sized schools have all of that too - just on a much smaller scale.

[Fleeman93]

Take the bottom cutoff number for 6A and double it, if you have an enrollment over that number then you must have 2 varsity teams and your seniors must be split evenly between the two teams.

[sTp]

Take the bottom cutoff number for 6A and double it, if you have an enrollment over that number then you must have 2 varsity teams and your seniors must be split evenly between the two teams.

That's a very interesting solution.

[RocklandDragon]

Take the bottom cutoff number for 6A and double it, if you have an enrollment over that number then you must have 2 varsity teams and your seniors must be split evenly between the two teams.

That's not a bad idea.

Another thing that I was wondering is does the split have to be even? You can make 7A only 64-100 schools and then try to split the other classes more evenly. If the 7A schools have to travel long, so be it. It's the ISD's fault for not curtailing school population.

Maybe just use this split for football and then have the rest of the sports be setup in another fashion.

Here is a list of the top 101 schools by enrollment in Texas, according to the UIL ADM Numbers of the last realignment--Made it 101 just to add Laredo Alexander:

6-6A	Allen	(1)	5987
6-6A	Plano West	(2)	5531
6-6A	Plano High	(3)	5394.5
6-6A	Plano East	(4)	5300
9-6A	Dallas Skyline	(5)	4700
21-6A	Galena Park North Shore	(6)	4531
29-6A	Laredo United High	(7)	4298
21-6A	Deer Park	(8)	4218
8-6A	Duncanville	(9)	4149
16-6A	(Conroe) The Woodlands High	(10)	4146.5
23-6A	Alief Elsik	(11)	3995
6-6A	Lewisville High	(12)	3981
23-6A	Alief Hastings	(13)	3968
15-6A	Klein Oak	(14)	3889
3-6A	Odessa High	(15)	3844
18-6A	Aldine MacArthur	(16)	3818
1-6A	El Paso El Dorado	(17)	3806
22-6A	Pasadena Dobie	(18)	3804
15-6A	Klein High	(19)	3799
19-6A	Katy Seven Lakes	(20)	3765
20-6A	Houston Bellaire	(21)	3667
15-6A	Klein Collins	(22)	3556
17-6A	Cypress Falls	(23)	3542
7-6A	Coppell	(24)	3532
17-6A	Cypress-Fairbanks	(25)	3525.5
3-6A	Odessa Permian	(26)	3523
17-6A	Cypress Lakes	(27)	3516.5
15-6A	Klein Forest	(28)	3514
22-6A	Pearland High	(29)	3490
15-6A	Spring High	(30)	3472
17-6A	Houston Jersey Village	(31)	3454
19-6A	Katy Morton Ranch	(32)	3441
16-6A	Conroe Oak Ridge	(33)	3440
25-6A	Converse Judson	(34)	3405.5
18-6A	(Houston) Aldine High	(35)	3397
16-6A	Conroe High	(36)	3370
4-6A	Arlington Sam Houston	(37)	3367
26-6A	(North East) San Antonio Madison	(38)	3339
9-6A	Iriving MacArthur	(39)	3336
4-6A	Arlington Martin	(40)	3314
6-6A	Flower Mound High	(41)	3310
20-6A	Houston Lamar	(42)	3274
17-6A	Cypress Ranch	(43)	3259
17-6A	Cypress Creek	(44)	3257.5
19-6A	Katy Cinco Ranch	(45)	3256.5
7-6A	Euless Trinity	(46)	3246
6-6A	Flower Mound Marcus	(47)	3236
6-6A	Lewisville Hebron	(48)	3235
15-6A	Spring Westfield	(49)	3235
19-6A	Katy High	(50)	3219.5
16-6A	Humble Atascocita	(51)	3198.5
8-6A	South Grand Prairie	(52)	3196
28-6A	San Antonio Southwest	(53)	3169
9-6A	Irving Nimitz	(54)	3165
17-6A	Cypress Woods	(55)	3153.5
17-6A	Houston Langham Creek	(56)	3141
19-6A	Katy Mayde Creek	(57)	3115
29-6A	Laredo United South	(58)	3090
18-6A	Aldine Eisenhower	(59)	3081
9-6A	Irivng High	(60)	3053
6-6A	McKinney Boyd	(61)	3043
4-6A	Arlington Bowie	(62)	3038.5
27-6A	(Northside) San Antonio O'Connor	(63)	3032
20-6A	Houston Chavez	(64)	3027
27-6A	(Northside) San Antonio Warren	(65)	3023
32-6A	Los Fresnos	(66)	3016
8-6A	DeSoto	(67)	2992
19-6A	Katy Taylor	(68)	2979.5
26-6A	(North East) San Antonio Churchill	(69)	2977
17-6A	Cypress Ridge	(70)	2962
26-6A	(North East) San Antonio Reagan	(71)	2961
3-6A	Midland Lee	(72)	2939
32-6A	Harlingen High	(73)	2937
4-6A	Arlington Lamar	(74)	2927.5
12-6A	Belton	(75)	2916
23-6A	Alief Taylor	(76)	2915
26-6A	(North East) San Antonio Lee	(77)	2914.5
22-6A	Pasadena Memorial	(78)	2910
27-6A	(Northside) San Antonio Stevens	(79)	2908
26-6A	(North East) San Antonio Roosevelt	(80)	2897.5
27-6A	(Northside) San Antonio Jay	(81)	2897
14-6A	Austin Bowie	(82)	2897
13-6A	Round Rock High	(83)	2891.5
4-6A	Arlington High	(84)	2882
3-6A	Midland High	(85)	2876.5
26-6A	(North East) San Antonio Ladybird Johnson	(86)	2868.5
18-6A	Aldine Nimitz	(87)	2863
29-6A	Del Rio	(88)	2861
14-6A	Del Valle	(89)	2860.5
7-6A	Hurst L.D. Bell	(90)	2859
32-6A	San Benito	(91)	2854
10-6A	Mesquite High	(92)	2845
27-6A	(Northside) San Antonio Marshall	(93)	2843
13-6A	Round Rock Cedar Ridge	(94)	2827
1-6A	El Paso Franklin	(95)	2819
28-6A	San Antonio East Central	(96)	2805
18-6A	Aldine Ben Davis	(97)	2803
22-6A	Pasadena Sam Rayburn	(98)	2799
5-6A	Keller Timber Creek	(99)	2797.5

27-6A	(Northside) San Antonio Taft	(100)	2796
29-6A	Laredo Alexander	(101)	2783

West Texas's four schools might have to travel to El Paso against Franklin and El Dorado, but El Dorado is going to be split when Pebble Hills opens up. Del Rio could be placed with SA schools and Laredo schools would have to be paired with the Valley schools of San Benito, Harlingen and Los Fresnos.

The crazy thing is all 9 6-6A teams are within the State 100, so even then Allen's travel wouldn't be affected too much.

I actually like Fleeman's idea the more I look into it.

[Super B]

Take the bottom cutoff number for 6A and double it, if you have an enrollment over that number then you must have 2 varsity teams and your seniors must be split evenly between the two teams.

I can see it now. Allen would put their "worst" 40 players on their "B" team. These would be the guys who wouldn't otherwise see the field. The fans would probably praise them for it too, saying they are giving those kids a chance to play that way.

[Fleeman93]

I can see it now. Allen would put their "worst" 40 players on their "B" team. These would be the guys who wouldn't otherwise see the field. The fans would probably praise them for it too, saying they are giving those kids a chance to play that way.

Allen has 80 seniors this year?

[Hollywood]

There should be a limit on how many players can suit up for a Varsity game. You can have 200 players on your varsity but only XX eligible to play in any given game. How about 60 if not 45? So your program can be as big as you want. But that should not be allowed to impact the games.

Not fair? Then you have put the motivation where it needs to be on the school / ISD.

[svhorns]

Allen has 80 seniors this year?

You're gonna have to forgive Super B from time to time he doesn't read all the way through some posts.

I keep telling him, read then post, read then post, he'll get it eventually.

[SLCbacker]

Take the bottom cutoff number for 6A and double it, if you have an enrollment over that number then you must have 2 varsity teams and your seniors must be split evenly between the two teams.

Interesting thought. I think the UIL should cap at 4500, 5000, 5500, or whatever. School districts choosing to have schools larger than that, are simply choosing not to participate in UIL competitions. No additional classification needed. You keep adding classifications, you don't fix the real problem; which is bad planning by the mega school districts. Allen is on its way to 8000. That benefits nobody, especially the students at Allen.

[Farmer]

Interesting thought. I think the UIL should cap at 4500, 5000, 5500, or whatever. School districts choosing to have schools larger than that, are simply choosing not to participate in UIL competitions. No additional classification needed. You keep adding classifications, you don't fix the real problem; which is bad planning by the mega school districts. Allen is on its way to 8000. That benefits nobody, especially the students at Allen.

I think a cap at 5000 or even 4500 would be ok. Right now I believe there are only 4 schools over 5000 and those schools are represented by 2 separate ISD, 3 in one ISD and then s single HS ISD. At least SUcKs had split their talent with the opening of West. Maybe a tad hypocritical on my part but I don't have as much of a problem with the Sucks schools because they have built additional high schools.

[BlueNightmare]

Late to the party and I'm sure some Allen people have discussed in the past,but I haven't really paid much attention.

Is there a limit in Allen? If the school gets to 10,000 will they be ok? Is there a plan for two schools at any point?

I was curious, so here is what I found on a Google search. Allen ISD High School Enrollment Projections - Approximately 6900 then they start to decline after 2020.

http://www.allenisd.org/cms/lib8/TX01001197/Centricity/Domain/66/Allen%20Projections%204thQuater%2013%20-%20Moderate.pdf

[pied]

I was curious, so here is what I found on a Google search. Allen ISD High School Enrollment Projections - Approximately 6900 then they start to decline after 2020.
http://www.allenisd.org/cms/lib8/TX0...20Moderate.pdf

Thanks for the link. It actually shows the Functional Capacity of 6,400 (freshman and HS campuses combined) with a max of 7,100. Not real clear on the difference between functional and max, but can guess.

Last year they were at 5,979 and project to be at 6,127 this year. They show exceeding the functional capacity in 2017/18 and staying above but never reaching the max of 7,100.

Kind of gives us answers though.

[GymCatmomx2]

I didn't see a date on that report. Here is what I found for the city of Allen's growth rate:

Allen provides a network of talent from which to recruit employees and this is both beneficial to companies that are relocating or expanding. It is projected that in 2019, there will be a 16.3% job growth rate for the City of Allen compared to the national growth rate of 5.9%.