The 2016 UIL Realignment Thread

[Eagle82]

Abilene High turned in 2,265 today.

[Super B]

Northwest ISD just opened their third HS, V.R.Eaton HS in Haslet. It will likely take more from Northwest HS than Byron Nelson. Northwest was up around 3,000 though. Still, I am not sure what effect it will have on the enrollment at the other two schools, since they are starting with 9-10 and will add 11 in year two and 12 in year four. Then by the time it has 9-12, all three HS will probably be back up to 6A numbers.

[Super B]

Aledo will very likely be 6A in the next few realignments. NOT the next one, but maybe by 2020, possibly 2018. There is a massive mixed use development going up just north of Aledo proper. Most of it sits within Aledo ISD.

[mike03car]

I saw UIL official tweet that the official enrollment snapshot date is October 30. There are almost always new schools opening in the metroplex but they usually open as 5A. The typical number of schools in 6A is 245

That date was confirmed at our Booster Luncheon today. Also, Coach Cox said our on campus numbers are right around 2050, which doesn't count for the good amount (100-200? I am guessing on how many) out in the technical schools that also will be added to AHS's numbers by the UIL which will put us comfortably above the cutoff according to Coach. I guess that also means unless the cutoff jumps to 2300+

[Super B]

Good chance several Mansfield ISD schools move up. They will add one more HS but are a few years away. That will be down Rendon way so it will take from Legacy. All but Summit have a good chance to move up from what I am hearing.

[mike03car]

I saw UIL official tweet that the official enrollment snapshot date is October 30. There are almost always new schools opening in the metroplex but they usually open as 5A. The typical number of schools in 6A is 245

My guess is whether or not those new schools effect the current 6A schools and those numbers in the MetroMess just depends on where they all are. They could pull from current 6A's or they could pull from other ones not as big, so it's hard to speculate how that might effect the top 245 that remain/become 6A.

[SanAngeloBobcat]

Is the count day the week prior to Sunday the 10th?

Wallar said he heard AHS was close to 2100 this year.

More schools have opened up in the MetroMess, yes/no?

If so, then the cutoff likely to drop some because the top xxx (265?) school enrollments are 6A, yes/no?

I saw UIL official tweet that the official enrollment snapshot date is October 30. There are almost always new schools opening in the metroplex but they usually open as 5A. The typical number of schools in 6A is 245

[SanAngeloBobcat]

I saw on Twitter the official enrollment snapshot day is October 30. Always new schools opening in the metroplex, but they usually start as 5A. It will be interesting to see if any of the current metroplex 5A's move to 6A. The typical number of schools in 6A is 245

[mike03car]

Abilene Wylie Watch

2014-2016 Cutoff Numbers

5A 1060 – 2099
4A 465 – 1059

2015 Enrollment Numbers
High School is 1,061 — up from 1,055 for the first day and up from 1,021 after three weeks last year.

"As of September 14, 2015, Abilene Wylie will not be accepting new enrollments on the High School level until October 10, 2015, at which time enrollment will be reinstated."

Okay, I added that quote but.... I am sure Wylie will do whatever they can to ensure their numbers don't go any higher because if they were to enter 5A, their glory days would be over.

Is the count day the week prior to Sunday the 10th?

Wallar said he heard AHS was close to 2100 this year.

More schools have opened up in the MetroMess, yes/no?

If so, then the cutoff likely to drop some because the top xxx (265?) school enrollments are 6A, yes/no?

[93streak]

Still think Manvel may drop to 5A, but could opt to stay in 6A

[Eagle82]

I suspect a mass pandemic in that high school for a day or so.

yeah, they seem to have one every two years.

strange

[Shady12]

I suspect a mass pandemic in that high school for a day or so.

[Eagle82]

Abilene Wylie Watch

2014-2016 Cutoff Numbers

5A 1060 – 2099
4A 465 – 1059

2015 Enrollment Numbers
High School is 1,061 — up from 1,055 for the first day and up from 1,021 after three weeks last year.

"As of September 14, 2015, Abilene Wylie will not be accepting new enrollments on the High School level until October 10, 2015, at which time enrollment will be reinstated."

Okay, I added that quote but.... I am sure Wylie will do whatever they can to ensure their numbers don't go any higher because if they were to enter 5A, their glory days would be over.

[RocklandDragon]

I'm not sure how accurate these numbers are to the ADM number on snapshot day but here are the numbers from the 2014-2015 year (taken in October 2014)

Lubbock Coronado 2,092
Lubbock Monterey 2,130
Amarillo High 2,199
Amarillo Tascosa 2,137
Wollforth Frenship 2,272

Amarillo Palo Duro 1,987
Amarillo Caprock 1,854
Abilene High 1,925
Abilene Cooper 1,806
Lubbock High 2,054
Lubbock-Cooper 1,211
Plainview 1,367
San Angelo Lakeview 1,225

Right now, Monterey is growing but I'm surprised that Coronado dipped and that's going to cause trouble. Abilene High needs to get 175 kids just to reach the cutoff of 2,100 that we had last go around.

If any of the current 6A schools from Lubbock drop, then expect a huge district again, regardless if AHS is 6A or 5A. It might be better for them travel wise to go to 5A. Two trips to Amarillo in every sport except football? Or they send Abilene east again, but Granbury and Burleson aren't near 6A levels, I don't believe.

The 5A districts could comprise of Palo Duro, Caprock, Dumas, Canyon, Randall, Hereford, and Plainview. The next one would be Lubbock, Coronado, Abilene, Cooper, Lubbock-Cooper, Lakeview.

Amarillo, Tascosa, Frenship, Monterey, Odessa, Permian, San Angelo Central, Lee and Midland would be the 9 team district. If Abilene dropped but Coronado remained, the UIL could do us a favor and make two five team districts but with only Amarillo, Tascosa, Frenship and Monterey only staying above the cutoff currently, the districts will probably merge again.

[mike03car]

I'm telling ya man, I have it ALL figured out!

College Algebra and Chemistry classes this semester has my brain plenty busy already
Don't want 'em, but must.

[Eagle82]

Actually the issue is we get more transfer from Wylie than to Wylie................Keep in mind if you are below average student at Wylie with needs then you are sent to the AISD/Abilene because of the programs that are available there and not available at Wylie...................Hence the great scores that come out of Wylie overall are more about sending the problems away than dealing with them. It is ridiculous in my opinion and we should either say form one district in Abilene and quit the separate mentality out there or say deal with your own issues. OK I am off the soap box!

Yes sir and that's not talked about much, is it.

So I guess I need to rephrase my comments.

Wylie seems to get all the kids transferring in who just happens to be playing athletics. Wonder how/if TLCA will take away from Wylie. I know the one in San Angelo had a decent football team last year I think? They must have gotten transfers from the surrounding schools.

[Eagle82]

Yeppers and with Eagle82's theory I doubt we ever drop!

I'm telling ya man, I have it ALL figured out!

[Eagledad]

So from what I heard today today Van Cox definitely expects to stay in 6A and will have a large freshman class come in.

Sounds like Monterey and Coronado will drop and there will be a nine team district unless Abilene gets moved to the Metroplex.

Yeppers and with Eagle82's theory I doubt we ever drop!

[Eagledad]

Because I believe the UIL NEEDS at least one Abilene school to remain in 6A or else it messes everything up.

There have been transfers but they all go out to Wylie. You're probably more in the know about that than I.

Actually the issue is we get more transfer from Wylie than to Wylie................Keep in mind if you are below average student at Wylie with needs then you are sent to the AISD/Abilene because of the programs that are available there and not available at Wylie...................Hence the great scores that come out of Wylie overall are more about sending the problems away than dealing with them. It is ridiculous in my opinion and we should either say form one district in Abilene and quit the separate mentality out there or say deal with your own issues. OK I am off the soap box!

[Shady12]

So from what I heard today today Van Cox definitely expects to stay in 6A and will have a large freshman class come in.

Sounds like Monterey and Coronado will drop and there will be a nine team district unless Abilene gets moved to the Metroplex.

[Eagle82]

No Abilene was 1907 and cooper was 1870 or so.

I have a source...............but AISD has allowed several transfers to Abilene from CHS this year already. These are academic transfers not athletic and no athlete has transferred to Abilene from anywhere to my knowledge. Cooper is actually below 1800. The difference is like 250 students of which significant number is transfers. Why would the district not try to level that out so both end up in 5A?

Because I believe the UIL NEEDS at least one Abilene school to remain in 6A or else it messes everything up.

There have been transfers but they all go out to Wylie. You're probably more in the know about that than I.

[Eagledad]

Well it's not written in stone.

Abilene High could do what Wylie does and allow all students with 5 letters in the last name to take a day off from school on count day!

Ok, no, they don't actually do that, or do they?

Well...............................maaaaaybbbbbeee e

[Eagledad]

That's about what we had two years ago, isn't it?

No Abilene was 1907 and cooper was 1870 or so.

I have a source...............but AISD has allowed several transfers to Abilene from CHS this year already. These are academic transfers not athletic and no athlete has transferred to Abilene from anywhere to my knowledge. Cooper is actually below 1800. The difference is like 250 students of which significant number is transfers. Why would the district not try to level that out so both end up in 5A?

[mike03car]

......ahs is around 2050. Cooper at somewhere around 1800 as of now.


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That's about what we had two years ago, isn't it?

[Shady12]

All I know is that overall SAISD enrollment rose a bit from 2014 to 2015, I think by about 100. Perhaps TLCA is slowing that down but I have no idea. Guess we'll find out when we see TLCA's enrollment compared to last time around. TLCA is new up there so maybe it's settled in some here while y'all are seeing the initial explosion.

[Eagle82]

Excerpts from another article saying AISD down 300.

San Angelo folks. What kind of impact has TLCA made in your area?

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Phil Ashby, AISD Director of Communications, says that the 300-student difference in AISD enrollment from last year translates to about 2% of the about 15,000 students attending public schools in Abilene. He told Big Country Homepage that the district had already planned for this in this year's budgeting process and that the number is similar to the number of students attending a new public charter school in the community, Texas Leadership Charter Academy.

[Eagledad]

......ahs is around 2050. Cooper at somewhere around 1800 as of now.


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[Warbird_Dad]

Well don't listen to me. Below is an excerpt from a recent article in the Reporter News. The numbers are combined for both AH and Cooper yet the combined numbers show an increase of 41 students between the two schools, well off the 200 I boasted about.

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While elementary numbers took a significant hit, student populations at all other measured levels showed slight increases compared with 2014-15. Middle school enrollment increased 72 students to 3,595 and high school was up from 4,312 to 4,353 this year.

I saw that too but no detail as to what the individual school change is....at least it ticked up instead of going down.

[Eagle82]

The projections I've seen of a possible DI and DII split have used somewhere around 2800 as the cutoff, so most projections have had San Angelo in DI with the Midland and Odessa schools. The problem area out here is El Paso--they have only 7 total 6A teams, so if they split those between 2 divisions, some EP schools will have to join our district. No thank you 😩

West Texas does complicate the process. I for one think as is, the cutoff numbers are dictated by what Abilene turns in. The UIL can afford to have one Abilene school in 5A but if both were to drop, it would pose an issue for aligning the districts out west.

As for DI and DII preset, as you say, El Paso would pose a problem, unless they took the average of those 7 schools and agreed to place them into the division the average number falls in. Not sure anyone would object to that, would you?

[Eagle82]

Well don't listen to me. Below is an excerpt from a recent article in the Reporter News. The numbers are combined for both AH and Cooper yet the combined numbers show an increase of 41 students between the two schools, well off the 200 I boasted about.

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While elementary numbers took a significant hit, student populations at all other measured levels showed slight increases compared with 2014-15. Middle school enrollment increased 72 students to 3,595 and high school was up from 4,312 to 4,353 this year.