The Transfer Epidemic

[Comanche]

I wonder how you go about telling a kid that's been busting his butt trying to get on the field and when its his time you bring in a transfer that gives you a better chance at winning a title?

[Farmer]

Go ahead, defend it. Let's hear what you have to say.

I'm not backer but here goes an attempt.



In 2012 the Allen offense was very average with Oliver Pierce at QB. He was not a good thrower and didn't have the intangibles that Murray did when it came to knowing when to tuck it and run. Pierce seemed to always be a run first QB to where Murray was a pure QB who would only take off running as a last resort. Murray knew how to work through his progressions even as a sophomore.

When Allrn went to play at Coppell their first 4 possessions might have totaled 90 yards of offense and 0 points. They were fortunate Coppell settled for 2 FGs and 1 TD during that time and were only down 13-0. Murray was inserted into the game in the late 2nd quarter and damn near almost won the game for Alken. Allen lost by 3 in OT. If Pierce stays in that game then Allen might have scored 7 points. Murray over the next 3 years would not relinquish his position at QB.

Allen definitely gets walked off the field by Mesquite in the 2nd round that year without Murray playing QB.



That at transfer alone is what propelled Allen from becoming a good, perennial 2 round team into a great, state championship team. Last year alone their top 2 rushers had both transferred into Allen after they began HS, their 2nd leading WR was a senior transfer on top of others.



I mi believe that is what backer is getting at

[Eagle82]

None of their championships would have been won without the transfers. I would be happy to defend that position.

Go ahead, defend it. Let's hear what you have to say.

[CHill]

it is truly nauseating. I could tell you some stories about Celina back in the 90s and then let's not even get started with basketball and what has happened there. Marcus, Plano West, Bridgeport, AAA Academy, Dallas Madison, Kimbal, South Oak Cliff and more.

What seems to be going on in football at the 8-6A schools as well as Allen is just as disgusting too. I wonder what's going to happen in basketball at the likes of DeSoto, Chill and Duncanville

They could use a 6'10" center that dominates in the paint.

[Farmer]

None of their championships would have been won without the transfers. I would be happy to defend that position.

I've Maintained that position since the Coppell game in 2012. Once they brought Murray in in the 2nd half at Coppell and he led the comeback in a losing effort in OT I didn't feel comfortable in thinking anybody would beat them the rest of that year.

[Farmer]

I am tempted to say "mandatory sit for a year" move in but it is too harsh.... Kids ,over all the time and the VAST majority have nothing to do with athletics. My solution is simple...every district has a DEC. BUT, they do not consider their own move-ins. Every move in gets assigned to a DEC at random, any classification. You moved to Allen? Convince the 31-2a DEC, with no dog n the fight, that it is above board.



I do want to throw up with what yen marquee sports have become. Congrats, Allen and Cedar Hill.

it is truly nauseating. I could tell you some stories about Celina back in the 90s and then let's not even get started with basketball and what has happened there. Marcus, Plano West, Bridgeport, AAA Academy, Dallas Madison, Kimbal, South Oak Cliff and more.

What seems to be going on in football at the 8-6A schools as well as Allen is just as disgusting too. I wonder what's going to happen in basketball at the likes of DeSoto, Chill and Duncanville

[SLCbacker]

I wonder over the last 3 years how much of Allens offensive production, points, yards, etc have been produced by kids who actually started high school at Allen

None of their championships would have been won without the transfers. I would be happy to defend that position.

[Firebird]

I am tempted to say "mandatory sit for a year" move in but it is too harsh.... Kids ,over all the time and the VAST majority have nothing to do with athletics. My solution is simple...every district has a DEC. BUT, they do not consider their own move-ins. Every move in gets assigned to a DEC at random, any classification. You moved to Allen? Convince the 31-2a DEC, with no dog n the fight, that it is above board.

I do want to throw up with what yen marquee sports have become. Congrats, Allen and Cedar Hill.

[Farmer]

How about the move-in RB from China Springs? Do you think all those defensive guys are from Allen? The tongan brothers from Cali? They moved back after the state game to Cali. Now they are back for fb season. That is quite an above the board program they have over there in Allen.

I wonder over the last 3 years how much of Allens offensive production, points, yards, etc have been produced by kids who actually started high school at Allen

[SLCbacker]

I was thinking the same thing and the same reason why. It seems like they don't want to lose access to Allen or covering Allen.

Not only did they not mention the ones you're discussing but Cody Butler and Murray as well. They briefly mentioned Murray but failed to leave off critical details about that whole ordeal. Cody Butler situation seemed just as blatant

How about the move-in RB from China Springs? Do you think all those defensive guys are from Allen? The tongan brothers from Cali? They moved back after the state game to Cali. Now they are back for fb season. That is quite an above the board program they have over there in Allen.

[Eagle2]

I don't know where it comes from that Florida uses this type of policy. It might be in a book somewhere, but every single year is similar to what we've seen this year in 8-6A in South Florida and no one ever sits. Kids discuss it openly in papers about moving to be on better teams and no one cares.

Athletes who switch schools during the summer are not considered a transfer and are eligible to play right away. If a student changes schools during the school year and meets one of six exceptions, such as the family moving or the transfer was made before the first day of practice for the sport, a coach can’t challenge that and the athlete is immediately eligible. If the student transfers during the school year and doesn’t meet one of those exceptions, he is ineligible for one year.

[OakTreeOut-n-Up]

When reviewing other states policy mainly California & Florida, they both have some type of sit out policy whether a year or games or an ineligible policy. As stated it may not be fair but its in place.

I don't know where it comes from that Florida uses this type of policy. It might be in a book somewhere, but every single year is similar to what we've seen this year in 8-6A in South Florida and no one ever sits. Kids discuss it openly in papers about moving to be on better teams and no one cares.

[Farmer]

I think they went pretty light on Allen in this article. I guess the writer, and contributors, don't want to get banned from Allen practice. No mention of the Green transfer; which"quacks like a duck", or the Florida receiver, or the large number of transfer starters from last years State Champ team.

I was thinking the same thing and the same reason why. It seems like they don't want to lose access to Allen or covering Allen.

Not only did they not mention the ones you're discussing but Cody Butler and Murray as well. They briefly mentioned Murray but failed to leave off critical details about that whole ordeal. Cody Butler situation seemed just as blatant

[Farmer]

Part 4 was a fascinating read. I didn't realize thy Denton ISD had the policy they did for in district transfers and I say good on them. I know it's harsh and what we heard concerning the softball family was sad but that's just life.
I'm not very encouraged that any true reform will happen, I'm just glad the DMN spent the time they did writing that article.

[mojotrain]

State Executive Committee

The State Executive Committee, appointed by the Commissioner of the Texas Education Agency, is composed of eight school administrators, representing each of the four geographical regions and each of the six conferences, and a minimum of four-at-large members.
This committee interprets the rules, settles disputes between different UIL districts and disputes which arise past the district level, conducts investigations and hearings of alleged violations, and hears appeals.
2014-2015 Members of the State Executive Committee

• Vicki Adams, Superintendent, Palacios ISD
• Robin Battershell, Superintendent, Temple ISD
• James Colbert, Jr. Superintendent, West Orange-Cove ISD
• Johanna Denson, Athletic Director, Pflugerville ISD
• Darrian Dover, Superintendent, Meadow ISD
• Paul Galvan, Fort Worth
• Gil Garza, Athletic Director, Dallas ISD
• Teresa Long, Austin
• Willis Mackey, Superintendent, Judson ISD
• Mike Motheral, Sundown
• Daryl Wade, Houston
• Herb Youngblood, Superintendent, Abernathy ISD

District Executive Committees

District executive committees are composed of one school administrator from each school in a UIL district. These committees exemplify grass roots control at its best. They arrange contest schedules and certify district representatives for the next level of competition. They administer and enforce the rules and settle disputes within a district. They have original jurisdiction over all eligibility questions within the district.

As stated previously, seldom does the SEC overturn a decision/ruling by the DEC unless its real blatant.
source: UIL

Holy smoke! Looking the home towns of the S E C it's easy to see why S C games will be played where they will be played. Not a lot that the three small school reps, all located within a stones throw of Lubbock can do about anything. That aside, it looks like the large population centers with their S E C members in concert with their D E C members can get this open border concept done in quick time.

I'm going to write a book. "Don't cry for West Texas, Sundown, Meadow and Abernathy has our Back".

thanks E2

[Eagle2]

Maybe you could research and find out the physical or hands on make-up of the U I L, those who police. How many people are charged with the task of over seeing this specific rule and are they the same year after year? Who are we talking about? From what I see on this site as well as the other one we are swinging at shadows. I would love to see their team roster.

State Executive Committee

The State Executive Committee, appointed by the Commissioner of the Texas Education Agency, is composed of eight school administrators, representing each of the four geographical regions and each of the six conferences, and a minimum of four-at-large members.
This committee interprets the rules, settles disputes between different UIL districts and disputes which arise past the district level, conducts investigations and hearings of alleged violations, and hears appeals.
2014-2015 Members of the State Executive Committee

• Vicki Adams, Superintendent, Palacios ISD
• Robin Battershell, Superintendent, Temple ISD
• James Colbert, Jr. Superintendent, West Orange-Cove ISD
• Johanna Denson, Athletic Director, Pflugerville ISD
• Darrian Dover, Superintendent, Meadow ISD
• Paul Galvan, Fort Worth
• Gil Garza, Athletic Director, Dallas ISD
• Teresa Long, Austin
• Willis Mackey, Superintendent, Judson ISD
• Mike Motheral, Sundown
• Daryl Wade, Houston
• Herb Youngblood, Superintendent, Abernathy ISD

District Executive Committees

District executive committees are composed of one school administrator from each school in a UIL district. These committees exemplify grass roots control at its best. They arrange contest schedules and certify district representatives for the next level of competition. They administer and enforce the rules and settle disputes within a district. They have original jurisdiction over all eligibility questions within the district.

As stated previously, seldom does the SEC overturn a decision/ruling by the DEC unless its real blatant.
source: UIL

[SLCbacker]

I think they went pretty light on Allen in this article. I guess the writer, and contributors, don't want to get banned from Allen practice. No mention of the Green transfer; which"quacks like a duck", or the Florida receiver, or the large number of transfer starters from last years State Champ team.

[mojotrain]

And this is where we are currently. Its been left up to each(district-dec) to police their own. Unless its an obvious violation or an upset/insistent parent.

Maybe you could research and find out the physical or hands on make-up of the U I L, those who police. How many people are charged with the task of over seeing this specific rule and are they the same year after year? Who are we talking about? From what I see on this site as well as the other one we are swinging at shadows. I would love to see their team roster.

[Eagle2]

One consideration may be that the problem has outgrown the U I L's capacity and willingness to act. Most of these things occur just a short time before the first kick-off. No way would I leave the policing up to the coach's with-in a district or the district coach's next door. Scratching backs has no borders either. Neither do I have confidence in the U I L, made up of school Adm. policing the problem either.

And this is where we are currently. Its been left up to each(district-dec) to police their own. Unless its an obvious violation or an upset/insistent parent.

[mojotrain]

Just some interesting observations, some of which you have shared:
1.

“THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL NOT VOTE AGAINST AN ATHLETE FROM ANOTHER SCHOOL, FOR A FAVOR LATER WHEN IT COMES UP FOR THEM.”

Kendall Miller, Garland Lakeview football coach


2.The DEC hearings are conducted by the same members of the UIL district to which the student has transferred,” he said. “There is often a conflict of interest.”

3.One idea mentioned by several local coaches and athletic directors is to have a DEC rule on another district’s transfers instead of its own. But another possibility would be to have district executive committees rule on transfers from another classification, such as 6A handling 5A and vice versa.

4.The school receiving the transfer must do the investigation, which can include talking with the athlete’s parents, the former coach and checking to make sure the transfer is living at the address listed on the PAPF. But the investigative duty usually falls on a coach, and it can be a heavy load, especially when they come right before a season starts.

5.“The DECs are not the problem. The problem is proving that someone transferred for athletic purposes,” he said. “If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it’s probably a duck. We all know that sometimes a kid moves for athletic purposes, but you can’t prove it.”

One consideration may be that the problem has outgrown the U I L's capacity and willingness to act. Most of these things occur just a short time before the first kick-off. No way would I leave the policing up to the coach's with-in a district or the district coach's next door. Scratching backs has no borders either. Neither do I have confidence in the U I L, made up of school Adm. policing the problem either.

[Eagle2]

You go back to a mandatory sit for a year. Is t a fair system? No but to allow open cheating because you can't prove that parents are openly lying to allow Johnny or Susie Q a shot to play, is the nature of the beast. That would put a stop to a lot of the crap you see going on now which is what it is. Nothing but crap and if we're not careful we are going to turn a once sacred, pure game into a total joke. We're already closer to thay than people realize

When reviewing other states policy mainly California & Florida, they both have some type of sit out policy whether a year or games or an ineligible policy. As stated it may not be fair but its in place.

[ktCarl]

You go back to a mandatory sit for a year. Is t a fair system? No but to allow open cheating because you can't prove that parents are openly lying to allow Johnny or Susie Q a shot to play, is the nature of the beast. That would put a stop to a lot of the crap you see going on now which is what it is. Nothing but crap and if we're not careful we are going to turn a once sacred, pure game into a total joke. We're already closer to thay than people realize

And to think I complained about the private schools entering the UIL because of recruiting. Silly me.

[Eagle2]

Part 3: Answers Questions all have asked and wondered but without a simple solution. Read,Enjoy, & comments.
http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2...ove/part3.html

Just some interesting observations, some of which you have shared:
1.

“THERE ARE SOME THAT WILL NOT VOTE AGAINST AN ATHLETE FROM ANOTHER SCHOOL, FOR A FAVOR LATER WHEN IT COMES UP FOR THEM.”

Kendall Miller, Garland Lakeview football coach


2.The DEC hearings are conducted by the same members of the UIL district to which the student has transferred,” he said. “There is often a conflict of interest.”

3.One idea mentioned by several local coaches and athletic directors is to have a DEC rule on another district’s transfers instead of its own. But another possibility would be to have district executive committees rule on transfers from another classification, such as 6A handling 5A and vice versa.

4.The school receiving the transfer must do the investigation, which can include talking with the athlete’s parents, the former coach and checking to make sure the transfer is living at the address listed on the PAPF. But the investigative duty usually falls on a coach, and it can be a heavy load, especially when they come right before a season starts.

5.“The DECs are not the problem. The problem is proving that someone transferred for athletic purposes,” he said. “If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, then it’s probably a duck. We all know that sometimes a kid moves for athletic purposes, but you can’t prove it.”

[Eagle2]

Part 4: Parents vsCoaches
http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2...ove/part4.html

[Eagle2]

Part 3: Answers Questions all have asked and wondered but without a simple solution. Read,Enjoy, & comments.

http://interactives.dallasnews.com/2015/on-the-move/part3.html

[Farmer]

Very well said eagle2 very well said

[Eagle2]

As we all can see transferring has been here since the beginning. Now it's come full circle but worse because of this new modern time we are living in with technology, advancements,and a more open and acceptable society.All for the almighty dollar,pride,popularity,&bragging rights at the expense of 14-18 yr olds whose only purpose should be to receive a quality education & graduate & be prepared for life's next phases.

[Trojanbacker2]

This may not be comparing apples to apples, plus I am really ignorant of the transfer rules, but I know a player moved into Trinity's zone last season from American Samoa to live with relatives and the UIL made him sit out a year. He'll be starting on the DL this year. How are these decisions made? Enforcement seems to be real hit and miss.

[Farmer]

I had no idea about Bridgeport until the article, when I follow Basketball its usually larger class but it made my stomach turn when I read all that's happening, I, like you don't see anything that's gonna change this crap!

I kept an eye on the 4A region 2 tournament this year because you had an undefeated Paris team and Argyle on top of 2 schools notorious for blatant cheating in Madison and AAA academy. Both Paris and Argyle lost their regional semifinal games to throws recruiting factories. I thought it was somewhat ironic that Madison, a team who has relied on transfers had their run ended by a team in Bridgeport who beat Madison at their own game. It makes you sick to see what some schools have resorted to just to become a power and win a title.

[Comanche]

It's still sickening to see what's going on. Seems to be a big issue in basketball but football isn't far behind. The whole Bridgeport basketball team makes me want to throw up. It did back then and reading their story again is just blatant cheating and sad.
I am glad to see the DMN digging deeper into this. I remember being concerned about this topic on the old 5A board back in 2005-2006 and on with the transfers we saw at Carroll. Some of those fans who are now screaming loudest about this were the ones telling us we were paranoid thinking that something illegal was going on.

This crap is here to stay and I'm afraid it isn't getting any better.

I had no idea about Bridgeport until the article, when I follow Basketball its usually larger class but it made my stomach turn when I read all that's happening, I, like you don't see anything that's gonna change this crap!