The Transfer Epidemic

[CHill]

Allen will probably win state again this year without Murray. Green is more than capable of taking the Eagles all the way.

No offense, Green is not even in the DFW top five rating as a QB and over hype for a small state player.

[SLCbacker]

Allen will probably win state again this year without Murray. Green is more than capable of taking the Eagles all the way.

This is the most perfect post about the biggest B*** S*** program ever!! Lol

[Farmer]

I think the next step for TXHSFB is to allow schools to have open tryouts in the spring. Anyone can attend and if you are selected for the team, you can enroll in the school. I think a few schools are already doing this.

I like this idea a lot. I also think kids should be able to home school at the states expense and then be able to chose which program they want to play for as welk

[FEARTHEFALL]

I think the next step for TXHSFB is to allow schools to have open tryouts in the spring. Anyone can attend and if you are selected for the team, you can enroll in the school. I think a few schools are already doing this.

[Farmer]

Oh your an Allen fan, too. Cool!

Oh yeah! Been watching Eagle football since they were being bullied by all the other 5As in the early 90s.

[FEARTHEFALL]

I wouldn't expect anything less from Allen. Go eagles

Oh your an Allen fan, too. Cool!

[Farmer]

Allen will probably win state again this year without Murray. Green is more than capable of taking the Eagles all the way.

I wouldn't expect anything less from Allen. Go eagles

[FEARTHEFALL]

Skyline as well. I can't see anybody on that team other than Murray who would have been able to overcome a 3 possession deficit against that defense late in the game like Murray did.



I know some of us harp on the transfer aspect but when I take the transfer goggles off its hard to say there's ever been a QB I Texas Hs football who was as great as Murray was over 3 years. We will be talking about him when we are all in senior care facilities

Allen will probably win state again this year without Murray. Green is more than capable of taking the Eagles all the way.

[Farmer]

True, did forget! That was the third team in R1 that could have taken them down, that's say a lot about football in this region.

Skyline as well. I can't see anybody on that team other than Murray who would have been able to overcome a 3 possession deficit against that defense late in the game like Murray did.



I know some of us harp on the transfer aspect but when I take the transfer goggles off its hard to say there's ever been a QB I Texas Hs football who was as great as Murray was over 3 years. We will be talking about him when we are all in senior care facilities

[CHill]

Don't forget the Martin game too. Martin would have beat Allen last year without Murray. He took that game over.

True, did forget! That was the third team in R1 that could have taken them down, that's say a lot about football in this region.

[CHill]

agree and the same for 2012. Remember the game he had against Lamar in the state finals that year? Won offensive MVP honors after accounting for 3 TDs I believe and sparked the Allen offense with multiple long runs.



After seeing Allen play twice that year before Murray was inserted as the starter including the Coppell game when he took over the position in the 2nd quarter it was obvious he was the sprk they needed that year. Without him their offense would have been very average at best

They play him just a little in the opening game at Cedar Hill in 12 and I look at a couple of people I was with and we where in awe. Our only chance that night was with the QB that end up being one of the WRs a couple weeks later, we knew then, Allen was in a very good place with this type of player. There is no doubt he was the difference in 12 against that Lamar team, I watch it in person after Katy ran the FB down CH throat.

[SLCbacker]

Not sure they would have beaten DeSoto or Trinity last year with out him. Watching the replay of those games, IMO, he was the difference on the offensive side of the ball.

Don't forget the Martin game too. Martin would have beat Allen last year without Murray. He took that game over.

[Lilbradford]

I'm pretty certain Allen would have won 3 titles without Murray. One player doesn't make a team.

yup. Texas A&M was the same team without Johnny Manziel....The patriots are just as good without Tom Brady....

[Farmer]

Not sure they would have beaten DeSoto or Trinity last year with out him. Watching the replay of those games, IMO, he was the difference on the offensive side of the ball.

agree and the same for 2012. Remember the game he had against Lamar in the state finals that year? Won offensive MVP honors after accounting for 3 TDs I believe and sparked the Allen offense with multiple long runs.



After seeing Allen play twice that year before Murray was inserted as the starter including the Coppell game when he took over the position in the 2nd quarter it was obvious he was the sprk they needed that year. Without him their offense would have been very average at best

[Farmer]

I don't know about a 2nd round exit in 2012 & 2013. I don't remember who they played in round 2. 2014 for sure.

they played an undefeated Mesquite team who kept the game close for 2.5 quarters. Allen had no answer for the ends or OLbs of Mesquite. The game was tied at halftime. Murray was able to escape the pressure in the 2nd half and made 2 heroic plays that put the game out of reach for Mesquite.



I I laugh at the notion, "I don't know about a 2nd round loss in 2012 or 2013, I don't remember who they played". Pretty much admitting you don't know what you're talking about.

[CHill]

I'm pretty certain I would bet the ranch against what you are pretty certain about.

Not sure they would have beaten DeSoto or Trinity last year with out him. Watching the replay of those games, IMO, he was the difference on the offensive side of the ball.

[CHill]

Does anyone see the UIL trying to curtail this? Some of these transfers are ridiculously blatant but I have yet to hear anyone from the Austin offices trying to slow this down.

You be around long enough, read the DMN article that has been posted on both sites, this issue has been around for over 50 years, and the DEC is the system in place policing their own districts under the UIL guidelines.

[Super B]

Are you serious??? lollll!!!

I don't know about a 2nd round exit in 2012 & 2013. I don't remember who they played in round 2. 2014 for sure.

[Comanche]

I'm pretty certain Allen would have won 3 titles without Murray. One player doesn't make a team.

Are you serious??? lollll!!!

[SLCbacker]

I'm pretty certain Allen would have won 3 titles without Murray. One player doesn't make a team.

I'm pretty certain I would bet the ranch against what you are pretty certain about.

[Farmer]

I'm pretty certain Allen would have won 3 titles without Murray. One player doesn't make a team.

lol that's cute!



No way In hades would they have won a state title without Murray. It would have been the traditional 2nd round exit like Allen had come accustomed to without Murray.

[FEARTHEFALL]

That commute from Lewisville to Allen is brutal I tell Ya. Yeah I know they had to be struggling for food. That poor poor man

I'm pretty certain Allen would have won 3 titles without Murray. One player doesn't make a team.

[Farmer]

Does anyone see the UIL trying to curtail this? Some of these transfers are ridiculously blatant but I have yet to hear anyone from the Austin offices trying to slow this down.

no! The UIL is not in the business to monitor anything other than turning a profit at the expense of teenage boys and girls. The last thing the UIL cares about is doing the right thing

[Farmer]

I thought Murray's dad had to move for his job. Can you blame him for trying to put food on the table?

That commute from Lewisville to Allen is brutal I tell Ya. Yeah I know they had to be struggling for food. That poor poor man

[RocklandDragon]

Does anyone see the UIL trying to curtail this? Some of these transfers are ridiculously blatant but I have yet to hear anyone from the Austin offices trying to slow this down.

[FEARTHEFALL]

yeah I can. Going to Allen isn't why those kids are or were getting recruited or going to big schools. Kyler Murray would have still been the best QB in Texas regardless had he gone to Lewisville or Allen. Cody Butler didn't help his chances of being noticed by college simply by increasing his toll tag bill by going from Colleyvill to Allen for his senior year.



This whole notion of it helps their athletic careers by transferring is actually a bunch of bunk and a cop out for breaking the rules and cheating

I thought Murray's dad had to move for his job. Can you blame him for trying to put food on the table?

[The King]

I wonder how you go about telling a kid that's been busting his butt trying to get on the field and when its his time you bring in a transfer that gives you a better chance at winning a title?

In the short term the transfer works, but if you do it enough much of your home grown talent will leave the team and depth will suffer

[Farmer]

Can you blame them for transferring. Who wouldn't do whats best for their kids to further their athletic career.

yeah I can. Going to Allen isn't why those kids are or were getting recruited or going to big schools. Kyler Murray would have still been the best QB in Texas regardless had he gone to Lewisville or Allen. Cody Butler didn't help his chances of being noticed by college simply by increasing his toll tag bill by going from Colleyvill to Allen for his senior year.



This whole notion of it helps their athletic careers by transferring is actually a bunch of bunk and a cop out for breaking the rules and cheating

[mojotrain]

Can you blame them for transferring. Who wouldn't do whats best for their kids to further their athletic career.

Just think, if we could start paying them money now.

[FEARTHEFALL]

I'm not backer but here goes an attempt.



In 2012 the Allen offense was very average with Oliver Pierce at QB. He was not a good thrower and didn't have the intangibles that Murray did when it came to knowing when to tuck it and run. Pierce seemed to always be a run first QB to where Murray was a pure QB who would only take off running as a last resort. Murray knew how to work through his progressions even as a sophomore.

When Allrn went to play at Coppell their first 4 possessions might have totaled 90 yards of offense and 0 points. They were fortunate Coppell settled for 2 FGs and 1 TD during that time and were only down 13-0. Murray was inserted into the game in the late 2nd quarter and damn near almost won the game for Alken. Allen lost by 3 in OT. If Pierce stays in that game then Allen might have scored 7 points. Murray over the next 3 years would not relinquish his position at QB.

Allen definitely gets walked off the field by Mesquite in the 2nd round that year without Murray playing QB.



That at transfer alone is what propelled Allen from becoming a good, perennial 2 round team into a great, state championship team. Last year alone their top 2 rushers had both transferred into Allen after they began HS, their 2nd leading WR was a senior transfer on top of others.



I mi believe that is what backer is getting at

Can you blame them for transferring. Who wouldn't do whats best for their kids to further their athletic career.