DMN ranks their top 5 TEs in the area.

[sTp]

I actually was not at that game, but it is quite possible you did see a 3-3-5. I know they will go with a nickel look against spreads, which I know is more of a 4-2-5. The last few seasons they have been using some 3-4, some 4-3, some 4-2-5. However they use a hybrid look as well which they call a ninja 3-4. It's three DLs, 4 LBs, but one of the LBs is a big quick LB. The three DLs line up in a shifted position, the big LB gets right on the line standing where a DE would be. He can either rush the QB or drop back, or simply hover to wait to see what the play is before reacting. I'm far from an X's and O's expert, so this is my best limited knowledge explanation.

So it's not uncommon to have a few players out there on D that are "hybrids"? I guess if you have the personnel and they have the speed and size to fill multiple positions it makes sense to move them around to confuse the Offense. For whatever reason I had never though of that. I always thought an LB was an LB and a DE was a DE and never the twain shall meet..

For lack of a better reason I blame Tecmo Bowl..

[sTp]

Some say he salts his popcorn with the tears of other racing drivers...

Some say under his helmet, is another smaller helmet and under that is another helmet and under that is a poster of Miley Cyrus..

[Greenbritches]

List is comical with some pretty absurd logic. Kaden Smith is head and shoulders the top TE in not only the area but the state yet Corbett Smith has him at 3 based on the style of offense Marxus runs. His number 1TE was more of a hybrid last year though and that puts him at 1 lol

http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasne...for-2015.html/

What is a TE?

[Super B]

Ok, one more hijack since we don't have an X's and O' thread yet..

2009 Trinity vs. sTp.. I could have sworn Trinity's D lined up in a 3-3-5 in some instances. Am I off here? Not sure if I just never noticed (very likely) or if it was the fact that I was behind the offense at the time that made it so apparent. I just remember thinking to myself "how do 6 guys guys take up so much space?"

I honestly don't remember how the other 5 were spread out. I want to say it was 2 corners, 2 safeties, and a dude right in the middle.. super safety just in case..

We run mainly the spread on offense. Is a 3-3-5 on defense a common look against a spread attack? Or does it come down to personnel that are able to execute? gah.. so many questions..

I actually was not at that game, but it is quite possible you did see a 3-3-5. I know they will go with a nickel look against spreads, which I know is more of a 4-2-5. The last few seasons they have been using some 3-4, some 4-3, some 4-2-5. However they use a hybrid look as well which they call a ninja 3-4. It's three DLs, 4 LBs, but one of the LBs is a big quick LB. The three DLs line up in a shifted position, the big LB gets right on the line standing where a DE would be. He can either rush the QB or drop back, or simply hover to wait to see what the play is before reacting. I'm far from an X's and O's expert, so this is my best limited knowledge explanation.

[Super B]

One more..

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Some say he salts his popcorn with the tears of other racing drivers...

[sTp]

Ok, one more hijack since we don't have an X's and O' thread yet..

2009 Trinity vs. sTp.. I could have sworn Trinity's D lined up in a 3-3-5 in some instances. Am I off here? Not sure if I just never noticed (very likely) or if it was the fact that I was behind the offense at the time that made it so apparent. I just remember thinking to myself "how do 6 guys guys take up so much space?"

I honestly don't remember how the other 5 were spread out. I want to say it was 2 corners, 2 safeties, and a dude right in the middle.. super safety just in case..

We run mainly the spread on offense. Is a 3-3-5 on defense a common look against a spread attack? Or does it come down to personnel that are able to execute? gah.. so many questions..

[sTp]

I think you summer it up pretty well and a lot better than what AEF could have done.
Different offensive philosophies will have a TE do a lot different things but you're pretty much spot on. TE is a critical position for a stretch/outside running game because their block on a De or OLb is critical to get the running game going outside

Tanks Farmer.

I would love to start an X's and O's thread to get some member's insight as to how it all works. I remember reading some stuff from the old board that just warped my brain. Where is Rook? That guy was fun to read and sure knew his stuff. Reading him, the KT's and some of the current posters here engage in nuances of the game tied my brain in knots.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

[Farmer]

Well, curiosity killed the cat.. I’ve been waiting for someone to answer the Tight End question and no one has offered an opinion so I thought I would take a stab at it. I openly admit I am no guru of the game and while I like to think I have a simple understanding of how the game plays itself out, the X’s and O’s still escapes me.

So here goes..

I would think the TE position would be an extension of the offensive line, in that the position is mainly utilized as a blocker, putting 6, or 7 on the line depending on the situation.

The deceptive part of this position is that it is also able to catch a pass..

Let me know where I missed.. No I did not use the googles..

I think you summer it up pretty well and a lot better than what AEF could have done.
Different offensive philosophies will have a TE do a lot different things but you're pretty much spot on. TE is a critical position for a stretch/outside running game because their block on a De or OLb is critical to get the running game going outside

[sTp]

Well, curiosity killed the cat.. I’ve been waiting for someone to answer the Tight End question and no one has offered an opinion so I thought I would take a stab at it. I openly admit I am no guru of the game and while I like to think I have a simple understanding of how the game plays itself out, the X’s and O’s still escapes me.

So here goes..

I would think the TE position would be an extension of the offensive line, in that the position is mainly utilized as a blocker, putting 6, or 7 on the line depending on the situation.

The deceptive part of this position is that it is also able to catch a pass..

Let me know where I missed.. No I did not use the googles..

[sTp]

One more..

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Kaden breaking Odell's Beckham Jr record.
. http://t.co/XAIKBixNAe

It would have been worse but coach on the left ran out of balls, that's when Kaden started throwing them back while also snagging one handed catches..

The rolling head smiley needs to come back and bad..

[svhorns]

Yes, same as you THINK its piss poor. Not really fan of Corbit but DMN reports better then others about the DFW teams. But really does that matter, you just like to assume things about people.

I need you to start speaking in certainties. You're guessing all over the place. Is the article based on production or is it based on talent? Is it based on both? You cant answer that with 100% certainty becuase the article doesnt state what his rankings are based on. He tells you about each player and breifly about what team they play in but nothing more. You're agreeing with an article that is poorly and lazily written, and thats not a surprise becuase your stance is just as hazy as the article.

[Farmer]

Yes, same as you THINK its piss poor. Not really fan of Corbit but DMN reports better then others about the DFW teams. But really does that matter, you just like to assume things about people.

You defend an article but can't provide us with any reason as to why you defend it. A TE is a lot more than a receiver who catches TD passes. You still haven't given us a reason as to why or how Chalk or Brady is better than Smith.

It's ok if you can't. Just admit you don't understand the positions on a football field other than what the stats show

[Farmer]

LOL, like none of the other 7 teams have any transfers...give me a break. Take it you do not know what a TE does as you keep asking.

Tell me about the transfers at the other schools.

Lol at you saying I don't know what a TE does. That's gold. I've asked you a question that you c ant answer so you get to deflect by saying I don't know what a TE does. That's about as much comedy as Corbitt Smiths reasoning behind his rankings of TEs

[AllenEaglesFan]

So you THINK his article is based on both production and talent but you arent quite sure. He takes no clear stance on why he listed the players the way he did. He gives the readers information about each player, which is great, and he even posted a video of JC Chalk doing a box jump. I don't care if he gets paid to write the article and Im not sure why you even mentioned that. If youre a fan boy of smith just let us know, while cute, I thinm youre too old for that.

Yes, same as you THINK its piss poor. Not really fan of Corbit but DMN reports better then others about the DFW teams. But really does that matter, you just like to assume things about people.

[AllenEaglesFan]

It's weak because 7 of the 8 teams play by the rules and use their own kids. Anytime you have an all star team and play against other teams using their own kids then the perception of the rest is going to be weak.

LOL, like none of the other 7 teams have any transfers...give me a break. Take it you do not know what a TE does as you keep asking.

[svhorns]

That is what I and Corbit Smith, you, Farmer and CHill all said previously. Think his article is based on both production and talent or Kaden might not be on the list if only production numbers of catches, scoring and yardage. Not faulting your criticism of Corbits article, you have your opinion of it and I have mine. Funny thing though he does get paid for writing it good or bad.

So you THINK his article is based on both production and talent but you arent quite sure. He takes no clear stance on why he listed the players the way he did. He gives the readers information about each player, which is great, and he even posted a video of JC Chalk doing a box jump. I don't care if he gets paid to write the article and Im not sure why you even mentioned that. If youre a fan boy of smith just let us know, while cute, I thinm youre too old for that.

[Farmer]

Not hard to grasp as never said he wasn't the most talented and recruited the same as everyone else. So what do you not understand about that?

District 8-6A, which is where Marcus plays is one of the weakest districts in the DFW last year and not really seeing it improving much this year. I am well aware of it as Allen plays in it.

It's weak because 7 of the 8 teams play by the rules and use their own kids. Anytime you have an all star team and play against other teams using their own kids then the perception of the rest is going to be weak.

[Farmer]

That is what I and Corbit Smith, you, Farmer and CHill all said previously. Think his article is based on both production and talent or Kaden might not be on the list if only production numbers of catches, scoring and yardage. Not faulting your criticism of Corbits article, you have your opinion of it and I have mine. Funny thing though he does get paid for writing it good or bad.

And you sti don't understand what a TE does on the field.

Smiths article is filled with journalistic lazism. If he wanted to say the top pass catching producing TEs then it would make more sense but he used the top TEs as his article title. You along with Smith don't really have a strong grasp at all on the game of football and what it is that a TE does. That isn't anything new for you though. It's just exhausting having to try and explain the game of football to you because you will never really understand how the game works

[Farmer]

That's what I like about him the most, his blocking and he takes out LBs right out of the play.

That game was funny to watch. It showed why Allen doesn't trust their own kids. Between Smith and Sutherland, the Allen DL turned in to a mash unit. Smith was dominating any kid Allen lined up across from him.

[AllenEaglesFan]

So you agree that hes the most talented. Great, we all agree he's the most talented. His article isn't based on production if it was, Coleman would also be ahead of Smith. Hell, Polendey didnt even play varsity ball and he's number 5 on the list. He gave his opinion which is great, but its not consistent. Piss poor article that doesnt make any sense.

That is what I and Corbit Smith, you, Farmer and CHill all said previously. Think his article is based on both production and talent or Kaden might not be on the list if only production numbers of catches, scoring and yardage. Not faulting your criticism of Corbits article, you have your opinion of it and I have mine. Funny thing though he does get paid for writing it good or bad.

[AllenEaglesFan]

List is comical with some pretty absurd logic. Kaden Smith is head and shoulders the top TE in not only the area but the state yet Corbett Smith has him at 3 based on the style of offense Marxus runs.His number 1TE was more of a hybrid last year though and that puts him at 1 lol

http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasne...for-2015.html/

Funny you started out with saying the article was illogical as you did not agree with Corbit Smiths ranking of the top 5 TEs in the DFW. All I did was point out the logic it appears he used and that fact he credited Kaden with being the most talented. Then svhorns and you assumed I was saying Kaden was not as good or most talneted. No where was this stated by me or in the article.

Last year Marcus played Allen to their closest game all regular season. During that game Marcus loaded up the strong side of their line and ran a lot of power and blast. With that it meant not much passing. Marcus and their strong side of the line with Smith and Sutherland knocked out about 5 Allen kids. His meaning Smith, presence was far more valuable than releasing on a DE and catching a TD pass.

Care to dispure this AEF?

Not disputing it, Marcus tried to use the clock and did a better job then previous teams as this was reported in the DMN as probably the best way to hold Allen from scoring since they were averaging scoring in 90 seconds or so on possessions. Nothing new they just waited to snap the ball with a second or two on downs and ran the ball constantly with 56 rushes to 17 pass plays. They had a little help from the clock operator with the change of when to use 40 second and 25 seconds on downs. Which being the home team and having that strategy of clock management I didn't blame them. Do believe almost every down for Marcus he used the 40 second clock instead of the 25 second when play were stopped. Also, In that game Kaden was passed to 7 or 8 times and only caught 4 passes, with a couple easy ones he dropped. Even with all this Allen still won 35-24. It was a good attempt but to no avail.

[svhorns]

Not hard to grasp as never said he wasn't the most talented and recruited the same as everyone else. So what do you not understand about that?

District 8-6A, which is where Marcus plays is one of the weakest districts in the DFW last year and not really seeing it improving much this year. I am well aware of it as Allen plays in it.

So you agree that hes the most talented. Great, we all agree he's the most talented. His article isn't based on production if it was, Coleman would also be ahead of Smith. Hell, Polendey didnt even play varsity ball and he's number 5 on the list. He gave his opinion which is great, but its not consistent. Piss poor article that doesnt make any sense.

[AllenEaglesFan]

im not sure why this is hard for you to grasp. Not only does Marcus play in one of the toughest districts in all of Texas he doesn't have anyone to get him the ball consistently. Marcus also has an offensive philosophy which limits his touches. What I know for certain, and this can not be argued, is that Kaden Smith is the better prospect based on what college coaches and recruiters think.

Not hard to grasp as never said he wasn't the most talented and recruited the same as everyone else. So what do you not understand about that?

District 6-6A, which is where Marcus plays is one of the weakest districts in the DFW last year and not really seeing it improving much this year. I am well aware of it as Allen plays in it.

[CHill]

Last year Marcus played Allen to their closest game all regular season. During that game Marcus loaded up the strong side of their line and ran a lot of power and blast. With that it meant not much passing. Marcus and their strong side of the line with Smith and Sutherland knocked out about 5 Allen kids. His meaning Smith, presence was far more valuable than releasing on a DE and catching a TD pass

Care to dispure this AEF?

That's what I like about him the most, his blocking and he takes out LBs right out of the play.

[Farmer]

Last year Marcus played Allen to their closest game all regular season. During that game Marcus loaded up the strong side of their line and ran a lot of power and blast. With that it meant not much passing. Marcus and their strong side of the line with Smith and Sutherland knocked out about 5 Allen kids. His meaning Smith, presence was far more valuable than releasing on a DE and catching a TD pass

Care to dispure this AEF?

[svhorns]

Already did if you read the post, no one said anything about talent wise he is not the best, even Corbit Smith, just he has not produced the number compared to the others on the list . 29 catches is not a lot.

im not sure why this is hard for you to grasp. Not only does Marcus play in one of the toughest districts in all of Texas he doesn't have anyone to get him the ball consistently. Marcus also has an offensive philosophy which limits his touches. What I know for certain, and this can not be argued, is that Kaden Smith is the better prospect based on what college coaches and recruiters think.

[Farmer]

Already did if you read the post, no one said anything about talent wise he is not the best, even Corbit Smith, just he has not produced the number compared to the others on the list . 29 catches is not a lot.

Do you even know what a TE does?

[AllenEaglesFan]

He has produced over his 3 years as a starter. He won't ever have a lot of TD receptions due to the philosophy in place at Marcus... It's kind of why you were blessed with the QB you had the last 3 years. He transferred over due to an offensive philosophy.

Why don't you tell us why Kaden isn't the best TE in the area?

Already did if you read the post, no one said anything about talent wise he is not the best, even Corbit Smith, just he has not produced the number compared to the others on the list . 29 catches is not a lot.